Comments on: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr: King Coal Pillages Beautiful Land https://ilovemountains.org/news/87 END MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL COAL MINING IN APPALACHIA! Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:50:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.18 By: Vaporizer Pen https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-1001990 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:50:42 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-1001990 I agree MTR is not good for the environment. However, as a member of a mining community in SWVA, I believe the pros out weigh the cons. I have personally seen the environmental and social impacts of all types of mining; however, until another major industry moves in coal mining is all we have, no matter how badly it damages the mountains we love. Until then, I would like for outsiders to stop trying to shut down the industry which pays for my college education and keeps food on my table.

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By: kynative https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-887926 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:04:47 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-887926 The cost of cal far exceeds the benefits. I can appreciate the perspectives of those work in the industry, and at the same time ask that they give the same consideration to all those effected by the lasting and far reaching consequences of coal, from extraction to burning. Harvard estimated the healthcare costs of coal to exceed 300 billion annually, with thousands of people’s lives forever changed by lung disease, heart disease, neurological damage in newborns, etc. Look at the data, at the emissions from coal plants, mercury, lead, etc, into our air, water, fisheries, our bodies, reaching far beyond the mines and plants, not only harming us, but future generations. And mountaintop removal mining destroys communities, destroys mountains, streams, rivers, water reservoirs, leaving polluted land, and when the coal is gone, where will the jobs be then? Coal receives billions in tax subsidies, costs billions in healthcare costs, they even have taxes foot the bill when they have their common accidents, spills, etc. Coal is not cheap, it is not clean, and there are better alternatives. The wind industry already employs as many as the coal industry does, and they receive a fraction of the corporate welfare coal gets. The jobs are lasting, as is the energy source, creating higher tax revenues and greater more sustainable energy independence. Much coal in the west is not even intended for the US, they will ship it to China where it will be burned to make more junk that will be shipped back here, along with the plant emissions that will reach the US in a matter of weeks. The coal industry has destroyed jobs along with land and health with mountaintop removal mining, as miners are replaced with machines. The mountains are not theirs to destroy, and neither is our air, water and health. It is wrong, morally and economically to destroy our resources, communities, and health for the benefit of the few.

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By: Jim https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-762441 Sun, 31 Mar 2013 03:26:26 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-762441 It is a difficult one. What if the people or companies that pillage the beautiful land are forced to allocated funding on regeneration or other green initiatives that give back to the community and nature?

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By: Tom Griffin https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-567852 Thu, 08 Nov 2012 00:52:48 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-567852 I had no idea it was that bad! Miners have actually LOST jobs due to “mountaintop removal” (but it’s no disguise for strip mining). I have family in West Virginia who staunchly repeat the Republican mantra of “It’s jobs, folks.” Yet the mining unions have 1/10 their 1966 membership? How shameless can you get? And Mitt Romney told bald-faced lies about this during his campaign. Bet Big Coal was a huge contributor just like they were for Dubya. It makes me sick…and sad for this country.

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By: Samara Sandage https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-238632 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:49:54 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-238632 This is true for most people. Most people want to be eco-friendly but for the most part at least currently sometimes going green is not financially a good idea.

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By: Attorney https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-174217 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:58:43 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-174217 If there is one thing that is becoming abundantly clear, it’s that giant corporations are only concerned with he bottom line. there care not at all how they increase it, even if the approach is unethical, immoral, or even illegal. Of course, they always like to pretend they are good stewards of the planet for public show, but those false facades are eroding rapidly.

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By: Joe Smith https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-74453 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:58:58 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-74453 I noticed a line that said “there was no way that Appalachian communities could rebuild an economy from the barren moonscapes the strip industry left behind.” That is interesting considering that if it wasn’t for coal mining certain parts of Appalachia would have no economy.
Nice picture that you have up there as well. Nice to see how people always show the during production pictures and never show the pictures of 3 to 5 years later after the coal company has stopped mining. The pictures where the grass has grown back. Trees have been replanted. And don’t forget the industrial parks and air ports that are built on an area of land that before was so steep a person could barely walk on. Interesting.

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By: Lance Schultz https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-66031 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:49:26 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-66031 “How much better it is to get wisdom than gold! And to get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver” Proverbs 16:16 King Solomon

Speaking as personified wisdom, Solomon wrote: “Receive my instruction, and not silver, and knowledge rather than choice gold; for wisdom is better than rubies, and all the things one may desire cannot be compared with her.”

Proverbs 8:10-11

Lloyd Blankfein is doing the work of God. The God of mammon. The God of rebellion. The God of perdition. The God of the flesh. The God of the Beast of Babylon’s snare.

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By: Benji https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-65929 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:12:04 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65929 Lance Schultz – Does that mean surface mining coal companies are doing gods work? The way I read that passage, it says that GOD will thresh the mountains, not coal companies.

I think the companies are just making a quick profit, paying a small group very well, and poisoning peoples water and permanently impoverishing Appalachian communities in the process.

Coal miners deserve safe, good paying jobs, and coalfield communities deserve clean drinking water and a prosperous future. In the long term, mountaintop removal coal mining and its associated valley fills certainly do not provide these things.

Lets work TOGETHER for a clean, safe, and prosperous future for Appalachian people!

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By: Lance Schultz https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-65924 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:05:17 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-65924 Nothing infuriates the GAIA worship enviro’s like the Word of God:

“Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff. Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel. When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will NOT forsake them. I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water. I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: that they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.”
[Isaiah 41:14-20]

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By: Tommy Wimer https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-61040 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:37:46 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-61040 What is the difference between stripping the mountainside for coal or stripping the mountainside to put in a big box store/shopping complex? I believe the coal industry pays it employees much more than any of the big box stores/shopping centers. How many people do you see fighting against a big Super-Walmart, or a strip mall going in where they stripped away the trees & earth to build their big mammoth stores? People you need to get a life and leave the Coal Miners alone. I love mountains too, but I would much rather see coal mining going on, than seeing a shopping center going in which destroys the earth as much as coal mining. There is no difference. If your gonna fight against one company for doing something, then you need to fight against all, and not just single out the ones that don’t cater to your lifestyle.

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By: Lorien MacAuley https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-58982 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:37:06 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58982 Who’s up for solar panels, anyone?

In West Virginia, the coal industry is really good at one thing: intimidating people. They say they have jobs, jobs, jobs. The truth is, MTR coal mining employs only a tiny fraction of underground mining, and the numbers of jobs are inflated by the coal lobby to exaggerate their numbers. Coal miners are encouraged to be angry (and thus irrational) about regulation, which they get uber-emotional about, and are encouraged by their bosses to think of as an attempt to starve their family. The companies even pay miners to show up at hearings in their reflective uniforms, like the Army Corps of Engineers hearing in Charleston in October, and threaten death to those who have legitimate anti-coal statements. They tend to forget that their larger community has been wiped out by the boom-bust cycles of coal, and the coal companies are responsible for the bad shape of their own hometown. They don’t have options. Because they are one of the lucky few who may have a fairly decent job (if you can stand your body wasting away), they are desperate to hold on to it because there are so few options. The coal companies really benefit from the sheer desperation that they themselves have created. They have a clear incentive to keep creating that desperation – if you were a smart business person, wouldn’t you notice and enjoy this position of advantage? The coal companies are shrewd, savvy business people who very deliberately create this situation. But so are we. This must change. They can’t keep doing this to our communities.

I believe in Appalachia, and I believe in the people of Appalachia overcoming their fear of these blatant intimidation/control tactics, and beating this sickly situation.

This is why solar panels shall prevail! And conserve… get energy-efficient applicances, retrofit your home, doors, windows, etc, and CONSERVE. We must squash the argument “Coal, it keeps the lights on…” well it only takes a small community-owned wind turbine to heat and light a holler of energy-efficient homes! So let’s move on the next thing and defeat the coal industry’s dirty tactics. I just want you to know… I just turned my lights off, man!

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By: John https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-58437 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:01:37 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-58437 I live in Appalachia and im curious as to how the coal industry has brought poverty to Appalachia. The coal companies provide millions anually in tax dollars and many high paying jobs. The high poverty levels are noy due to coal, I can name several companies that I have visited in the last two months that have multiple job openings that have gone unfilled because the majority of people can’t pass a drug test, and also people have gotten used to getting a handout from the government, people dont want to work. Why would a company be interested in moving to a place where they couldn’t find hardworking employees that could pass a drug test.

I am a Mining Engineering student at The University of Kentucky. I have news for the environmentalist that think coal will disappear in the next decade or so; Your Wrong. Coal is here for the long haul, If cap and trade passes, guess who will pay the bill, you the final consumer. The company burning the fuel will be the one who will be charged the tax, in turn they will charge three or four times what they do now per kw-hour. So your electric bill will triple.

As we move into the future there are many things that need to be discussed in order to improve our overall economic and energy situation. We need to look into renewable resources, at the time there are multiple clean uses for coal; coal liquification and gasification can be improved to burn cleaner and offer independance from the middle east oil companies. Carbon capture technology is here and available in the future, projects to build the future power plants are already in the works. These uses for coal will reduce pollutantant emissions and would bennefit our nation by making us more energy independant and create jobs here at home.

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By: Larry Thacker https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-57386 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:10:25 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-57386 Stopping MTR will not destroy the coal buseness in E. Ky. It will force them to mine it like we did for over 100 years without destroying the deciduous forest of Central Appalachia. Yes you can blow up mountains and push them over into pristine valley’s and cover up fresh water streams for about 4 dollars a ton. Yes it takes about 20 dollars a ton to mine coal with the underground method and it will raise the price of a ton of coal. It will also cause the coal corporations to hire about 5 times as many men to mine it and put some real money back into these communities in the Southeastern Coal Fields. They mine coal right now both strip and underground and sometimes by the same coal corporation at the same time. The MTR method could not be done under the 77 Surface Mine Act, had to be adopted by admiistrative order bought by coal corporation lobbyist. It is a relatively new practice when compared to the span of time we have been mining in these mountains ad was even in 77 illegal, you had to put the overburden back on the original contour. It is not like we are taking something away that is established as a proper mining technique. What George Bush did to the Clean Water portion of the EPA regs and the 77 Surface and reclamation Act we can change by administrative order. The so called midnight regs every presidet rams through for his lobby friends.
We can mine coal right and have more jobs doing it. The coal is owned by out of state interest, the coal corporations are owned by out of state interest. The only real money we ever had in the coal communtiy was when about every house in every hollow had an underground miner in it.
In the early 80’s when oil dropped to $20 a barrel and the bottom dropped out of the coal market is when the Eastern coal corporations truned to Moutain Top Removal Stripping to keep up with the Western Low sulfur coal market dumping steam coal on the market cheaper than they could mine it underground.
Guess what it is easier to strip 80 to 100 ft. thick seams on prarie lands than to strip in the mountains in deciduous forest. It is also easier to reclaim grass land than deciduous forest, don’t mean you can do MTR just of try to compete at the expense of the environment and clear water streams.
If you stop MTR they will mine it right, like we did for over 100 years. The coal is in the ground, paid for and they are paying unmined mineral tax on it. You trying to tell me they will just let it lay there if there is a demand.
My family susistance farmed before they logged the first cut timber and run it down the river to cattletsburg. When the coal was discovered we mined coal. My father died in the mines. You tell me we can’t do anything else but mine coal for a living. The rest of the country has a lot more than we do and they don’t mine coal.
Coal corporations have exploited this area for over 100 years and still have their foot on our throats. Damn a coal corporation and a coal job, we can dig the stuff for them as we always have. We take any bone they throw us and dig with it. We just don’t have to destroy the place our fathers handed down to us for a coal corporations bottom line anymore. Mine it right or leave it in the ground.

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By: CarlaD80 https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-46209 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:40:34 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-46209 “The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don’t think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened,”

And just what type of life do you imagine for your children, eve? Does it include the possibily of birth defects, and a polluted environment to grow up in?

Indeed, plenty of people lose jobs and have to move, or learn new skills everyday. Thats LIFE.

That may not be fair, but it’s not fair for the rest of the population to have to suffer the consequences -the destruction, pollution, or poisoning- due to the dirty coal industry, either.

We are moving into cleaner, sustainable energy to preserve the very land that sustains the people. It’s not going to be easy for those who are stuck in the old ways. But everyone will have to adapt and grow with it. The only way to go now, is forward.

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By: eve1979 https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-45134 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:40:40 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45134 Hey,

be an eviromentalist, in whatever form. But don’t sit there and stratch your head, wandering why someone who stands to lose so much would disagree with you. At least have the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes.

If your honestly too selfish to understand why people who live in a mining community aren’t overjoyed with the idea of having to find a new job where they would be the lowest paid, bottom of the ladder after years of building a career in a certain industry, and possibly having to pick up and move away for said crappy job….then you just need to keep your mouth shut.

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By: eve1979 https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-45133 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:24:46 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-45133 “Well Mike, let me tell you the difference between a mountain top removal and an urban development. An urban development is a place necessary for humans to live, you know cover, warmth and security close to a worksite.” (Larry)

“You can say that this kind of mining is keeping food on your table, but that’s just whiny. Plenty of people lose jobs and have to move or learn new skills every day. That’s capitalism.” (John Fisher)

So I guess that Appalachians must not be human, and therefore do not deserve places to live, jobs, warmth and security close to a worksite. Wow, what a hypocritical peice of selfish, arrogant shit you are. What Micheal was trying to say, Larry, is that people from all over this country have mined thier land, destroyed thier natural beauty, and built and developed upon the aftermath. Now they come to us, telling us how we’re too stupid to know what’s good for us and we’re just being lied to by “King Coal”. We must be brainwashed, that’s it!! It’s repulsive, to be honest with you.

And for John Fisher:

I’m not the type of person that wishes for bad things to happen to people, but for you I’ll make an exception.

The day that someone threatens to take not only your livelyhood but the livelyhood of everyone around you, I hope they tell you to quit your whining. The day that your heart drops in your stomach, because you don’t think your going to be able to give your child the life you imagened, I hope someone tells you that your just being a baby. I hope that a day comes when people (who think your less than dirt anyway) try to take everything you’ve worked for from you. That’s life, sorry. My college professor said it so it must be so. You’re just too subhuman to know what’s good for you anyway…….haha stupid rednecks.

You guys seem to live in some sort of fairy tale were jobs come easy, and the mountain behind your house is more important that the lives of thousands of people. Oh sure, all of those surface miners will have a job just waiting for them at some other company where they have zero training/experience when they’re 56 years old! There’s no problem!! La la la le la di doo!

Some of you want to stick our miners back underground. You can blow your statistics out your ass, anyone who lives here knows that underground miners have one of the hardest, unhealthy, and most dangerous jobs on the planet.

There’s nothing wrong with being an enviromentalist. There’s nothing wrong with people working with the mining industry to try to find ways of better protecting the enviroment. There’s nothing wrong with promoting awareness of the impact of MTR. T
There’s something wrong with being a selfish, unsympathetic half ass enviromentalist who’s main contribution is to troll on the internet and upset other people who REALLY have something to lose. Do you understand what I mean? You have an opinion, an agenda. That’s not a whole lot of stake compared to your opposition; people who stand to lose a lot more than a belief….DO YOU GET IT?

But you have your job, warmth and security don’t you? If it’s not happening to you, then why should you care about anyone else?

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By: Al Justice https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-39729 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:01:08 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-39729 The bottom lines:
…central Appalachia is being sacrificed for coal.
…regions on the perimeter, not the core producing region is benefiting though the wealth flowing from the coal.
…the economies of the core region are devastated already, and the dysfunctional politics of the region are supporting the environment.
…fresh water in adjacent regions, will suffer. Remember the dust bowl. Actually farmers in Oklahoma could not accept their role either.
… central Appalachia is among the oldest most diverse mountains on earth.

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By: Bob White https://ilovemountains.org/news/87#comment-29742 Mon, 19 May 2008 04:20:26 +0000 http://ilovemountains.org/cost_of_coal/87#comment-29742 Before today I never heard of mountain top removal mining. I am shocked in two ways. First because I never heard of it and even more because it exists. Every year I travel from my home in Pennsylvania to Florida and I pass through West Virginia on Rt 79 and 19 and 76 and all I notice is beautiful mountain scenery and think of John Denver songs.

I know many people from West Virginia because of pitching horseshoes with them both in WV and PA. Years of visiting the state and meeting with many residents and driving through and still no clue about MTR! I admit I am not much of a detective but it seems to me that you are seriously in need of public exposure if you ever want that tragic rape of your land to stop. And it must stop. From what I have read today both here and other websites, it is obvious that this has the potential to spread like a cancer througout the entire Appalachia range and even farther.

This is an election year. It’s a perfect time to make noise about this and make it a campaign issue in every contested race from local to state to national. Speak out now or forever regret the loss. The vast majority of people in America will understand that this practice exists only because of greed and corruption and that the mountains, valleys, streams and people are far more important than a few dollars in some corporate bottom line and in the pockets of some corrupt bottom feeding pubic servants. Let the people know and the polititians will have to respond or lose their jobs.

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